1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,520 Hi there. Today I'm going to talk about 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,089 Jesus and Islam - the copy pasted prophet. 3 00:00:06,089 --> 00:00:09,330 So to begin, I'm going to assume that 4 00:00:09,330 --> 00:00:11,250 Jesus was a real person, and that he really 5 00:00:11,250 --> 00:00:15,030 existed. Dr. Carrier has made a good 6 00:00:15,030 --> 00:00:16,740 argument in the book, "On the Historicity of 7 00:00:16,740 --> 00:00:19,080 Jesus", that Jesus may not 8 00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:21,539 have actually existed. Rather than 9 00:00:21,539 --> 00:00:24,269 exploring that idea I'm going to go by 10 00:00:24,269 --> 00:00:25,980 the mainstream understanding that Jesus 11 00:00:25,980 --> 00:00:28,260 was a real person and that he really 12 00:00:28,260 --> 00:00:30,150 existed, and you know we'll assume that 13 00:00:30,150 --> 00:00:32,009 to begin. 14 00:00:32,009 --> 00:00:34,980 So first of all, what does Islam say? Islam 15 00:00:34,980 --> 00:00:37,739 says that it sets the record straight. 16 00:00:37,739 --> 00:00:40,079 That it has a final and correct 17 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:41,850 story and everything before that was 18 00:00:41,850 --> 00:00:43,829 corrupted, and whoever agrees with 19 00:00:43,829 --> 00:00:45,570 Islam is right, but whoever doesn't agree with 20 00:00:45,570 --> 00:00:47,430 Islam is incorrect. Now let's take 21 00:00:47,430 --> 00:00:48,629 a look at this and see if it makes any 22 00:00:48,629 --> 00:00:49,379 sense. 23 00:00:49,379 --> 00:00:52,320 One of the other claims 24 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,149 the Quran makes is that 25 00:00:54,149 --> 00:00:57,809 these stories Muhammad could not 26 00:00:57,809 --> 00:01:00,120 have known them, and because he knows 27 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:01,559 them he's a true prophet from God, 28 00:01:01,559 --> 00:01:03,539 because Allah told them these stories. 29 00:01:03,539 --> 00:01:06,500 It says in 3:44 30 00:01:16,500 --> 00:01:17,500 And in 18:13 31 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,000 And in 11:120 32 00:01:33,500 --> 00:01:35,000 This is 11:120. 33 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,000 And in 2:79 Allah says 34 00:01:48,299 --> 00:01:50,220 So basically the Quran is saying 35 00:01:50,220 --> 00:01:52,020 that we were giving you the 36 00:01:52,020 --> 00:01:53,430 (we meaning Allah) were giving you the 37 00:01:53,430 --> 00:01:54,540 correct story. 38 00:01:54,540 --> 00:01:56,250 You couldn't have known these things 39 00:01:56,250 --> 00:01:57,600 You know, you're just a man. 40 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,310 And the reason you know them is because 41 00:01:59,310 --> 00:02:00,240 I'm going to tell you these things. 42 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,790 Because they're from the heavens above. 43 00:02:02,790 --> 00:02:03,810 The first thing that's interesting about 44 00:02:03,810 --> 00:02:06,780 about the story of Jesus in Islam is 45 00:02:06,780 --> 00:02:09,179 that Jesus has no father and was born to 46 00:02:09,179 --> 00:02:13,050 the Virgin Mary. Now, in relation to Christianity 47 00:02:13,050 --> 00:02:16,319 this makes sense, in relation 48 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:18,030 to the doctrine of Christianity that 49 00:02:18,030 --> 00:02:20,370 says that Jesus is the Son of God and 50 00:02:20,370 --> 00:02:23,670 that God is a father. Now, in Islam, Jesus 51 00:02:23,670 --> 00:02:25,590 is not the Son of God and God is not his 52 00:02:25,590 --> 00:02:27,510 father, yet Allah decided to give him a 53 00:02:27,510 --> 00:02:29,819 virgin birth. It's kind of strange, out of 54 00:02:29,819 --> 00:02:32,430 the millions of babies born every year 55 00:02:32,430 --> 00:02:34,920 Allah simply decided to just give Jesus a 56 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:37,080 virgin birth. But it just seems strange. 57 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,230 It makes sense in Christianity, in 58 00:02:40,230 --> 00:02:41,670 context of what they're trying to claim, 59 00:02:41,670 --> 00:02:44,670 but in Islam it's a very strange idea. Not 60 00:02:44,670 --> 00:02:47,340 only that, the idea for virgin birth has 61 00:02:47,340 --> 00:02:49,709 been a long since antiquity. If 62 00:02:49,709 --> 00:02:50,850 you look at ancient Egypt there was 63 00:02:50,850 --> 00:02:53,190 Horus, who was born to the virgin Isis. 64 00:02:53,190 --> 00:02:55,769 As well as many other references to 65 00:02:55,769 --> 00:02:58,410 virgin births. This idea has existed a long time 66 00:02:58,410 --> 00:03:00,569 in Egypt, in Paganism, and in Hinduism. 67 00:03:00,569 --> 00:03:03,030 You can find ancient stories of 68 00:03:03,030 --> 00:03:05,400 virgin births. When did the idea come 69 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,769 into Christianity? Well to tell you the 70 00:03:07,769 --> 00:03:09,480 truth, this is something I found very 71 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,810 interesting as well. The virgin birth was 72 00:03:12,810 --> 00:03:15,390 not in the earliest Gospel. There's 73 00:03:15,390 --> 00:03:17,100 four Gospels of the New Testament: 74 00:03:17,100 --> 00:03:19,980 Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The first 75 00:03:19,980 --> 00:03:22,500 Gospel, Mark, does not include the virgin birth. 76 00:03:22,500 --> 00:03:23,519 But now it's interesting. 77 00:03:23,519 --> 00:03:25,230 Why didn't he include the virgin birth 78 00:03:25,230 --> 00:03:27,150 if this was a well-known story and it 79 00:03:27,150 --> 00:03:29,579 was true? What we find is the later 80 00:03:29,579 --> 00:03:32,370 Gospels, the Gospel of Matthew and Luke, 81 00:03:32,370 --> 00:03:34,200 70 years after the, you know, supposedly 82 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,350 event decided to include the story and 83 00:03:37,350 --> 00:03:38,730 they included the story to 84 00:03:38,730 --> 00:03:40,620 prove that Jesus was, like I said, the son 85 00:03:40,620 --> 00:03:43,950 of God. But the Quran decides to take the 86 00:03:43,950 --> 00:03:45,510 story, by the time it reached 87 00:03:45,510 --> 00:03:48,450 the Prophet, he took it as a 88 00:03:48,450 --> 00:03:50,310 fact and included it in the Quran that he (Jesus) 89 00:03:50,310 --> 00:03:52,140 had a virgin birth. But interestingly enough 90 00:03:52,140 --> 00:03:54,810 this wasn't in the earliest Gospel. This 91 00:03:54,810 --> 00:03:56,250 is something that came about later. And 92 00:03:56,250 --> 00:03:58,769 as well, we find parallels to virgin birth 93 00:03:58,769 --> 00:04:00,870 ideas in other religions and we 94 00:04:00,870 --> 00:04:02,940 also find that this makes more sense in 95 00:04:02,940 --> 00:04:04,560 the context of a Christian claim, not an 96 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:05,690 Islamic claim. 97 00:04:05,690 --> 00:04:08,180 Jesus, the Messiah. The next claim is that 98 00:04:08,180 --> 00:04:11,870 Isa is a Masih (Messiah). Now what does that mean? 99 00:04:11,870 --> 00:04:14,660 So Jesus was a Jew, 100 00:04:14,660 --> 00:04:16,820 and he was a Messianic Jew 101 00:04:16,820 --> 00:04:19,850 And he was a Jew that was 102 00:04:19,850 --> 00:04:22,190 claimed to be the Messiah. Now what 103 00:04:22,190 --> 00:04:23,660 does that mean? The Messiah is supposed 104 00:04:23,660 --> 00:04:25,280 to be a king. Is supposed to be someone 105 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:26,840 that's going to bring peace to the world. 106 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:28,400 Its kind of like the idea of the Mehdi 107 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,620 in Islam. And you know, it says in the 108 00:04:30,620 --> 00:04:32,000 Torah 109 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,230 This is a prophecy of the 110 00:05:06,230 --> 00:05:09,980 Messiah. So Jesus actually didn't 111 00:05:09,980 --> 00:05:11,900 fulfill any of these claims. He didn't 112 00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:13,430 restore peace to the Earth, he didn't become 113 00:05:13,430 --> 00:05:15,440 the ruler of the Jews, and in fact he was (appeared to be*) 114 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,810 crucified like a common criminal. 115 00:05:17,810 --> 00:05:19,640 So the Jews, of course they don't accept 116 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,380 Jesus is a Messiah. They don't 117 00:05:21,380 --> 00:05:24,080 accept that. And you know the 118 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,090 Christians actually change the idea of 119 00:05:26,090 --> 00:05:27,800 Messiah to be someone that died for the 120 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,930 sins of humanity, but in Islam the 121 00:05:29,930 --> 00:05:32,600 Messiah, Jesus, it doesn't 122 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,120 seem to fit, you know? It doesn't match 123 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:41,150 the prophecy of the Jews. As well, the 124 00:05:41,150 --> 00:05:43,550 next point I have is about the 125 00:05:43,550 --> 00:05:46,550 Injeel of Jesus. Now interestingly enough, 126 00:05:46,550 --> 00:05:49,100 what does the Quran say about Jesus 127 00:05:49,100 --> 00:05:50,500 and the Injeel? 128 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,000 This is in Quran chapter 5 verse 46. So Allah 129 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,830 says in the Quran that he gave Jesus 130 00:06:14,830 --> 00:06:18,070 the Injeel, just like Moses 131 00:06:18,070 --> 00:06:20,200 got the Torah. So the Torah is 132 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,420 a revelation of God to Moses, 133 00:06:22,420 --> 00:06:24,700 and he's saying the Injeel was a revelation of 134 00:06:24,700 --> 00:06:27,550 God sent to Jesus. Now interestingly 135 00:06:27,550 --> 00:06:29,890 enough, when we look at 136 00:06:29,890 --> 00:06:33,250 what the Christians claim 137 00:06:33,250 --> 00:06:37,150 Christians don't have any recollection 138 00:06:37,150 --> 00:06:41,170 or any trace of a book that was sent to 139 00:06:41,170 --> 00:06:43,810 Jesus. All that we have is the four 140 00:06:43,810 --> 00:06:46,660 Gospels. Not one Gospel, but four Gospels: 141 00:06:46,660 --> 00:06:47,890 Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, which are 142 00:06:47,890 --> 00:06:50,110 considered the inspired speech of God. 143 00:06:50,110 --> 00:06:52,150 Not the verbatim revelation sent to Jesus. 144 00:06:52,150 --> 00:06:54,460 In fact these are stories about Jesus 145 00:06:54,460 --> 00:06:56,290 describing what Jesus did. 146 00:06:56,290 --> 00:06:59,200 It's not a revelation 147 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,640 sent to Jesus. It's a totally different 148 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:01,780 claim than what the Quran is coming 149 00:07:01,780 --> 00:07:04,360 with. But it seems 150 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,090 that Mohammad thought the 151 00:07:07,090 --> 00:07:09,940 Injeel, the Gospel, was a book. I don't 152 00:07:09,940 --> 00:07:11,710 know if this is a mistake he made, if this 153 00:07:11,710 --> 00:07:13,420 is a misunderstanding, or was there really an 154 00:07:13,420 --> 00:07:15,670 Injeel that was completely lost and we 155 00:07:15,670 --> 00:07:17,920 have no recollection of it, even though 156 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,140 much less important texts were 157 00:07:20,140 --> 00:07:22,990 preserved and saved, yet the Injeel was 158 00:07:22,990 --> 00:07:25,270 completely lost. It's very strange. 159 00:07:25,270 --> 00:07:27,850 We know the four Gospels. We 160 00:07:27,850 --> 00:07:29,440 don't know much about the authors but 161 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,810 we know they were Greek speaking Christians. 162 00:07:31,810 --> 00:07:33,880 We know, forty to a hundred years after the death 163 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,160 of Jesus, they wrote down these books, and 164 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,840 this is what is considered to be the New 165 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,900 Testament - the four Gospels. We don't 166 00:07:40,900 --> 00:07:42,730 have any evidence or recollection of 167 00:07:42,730 --> 00:07:44,920 any sort of revelation sent to Jesus 168 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,940 himself. Now the Infancy Gospel stories. 169 00:07:48,940 --> 00:07:52,240 Some of the stories included in the Quran 170 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,430 we've actually found sources for them. 171 00:07:54,430 --> 00:07:56,380 And these are documents that even 172 00:07:56,380 --> 00:08:00,550 less reliable than the Gospels - 173 00:08:00,550 --> 00:08:04,240 than the four Gospels. For example, the 174 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,310 story of Jesus making clay birds and 175 00:08:06,310 --> 00:08:07,600 bringing them to life, which is mentioned 176 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,760 in the Quran, is found in the Infancy 177 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,500 Gospel of Thomas, which 178 00:08:11,500 --> 00:08:14,440 scholars agree, or they believe was written 179 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,500 in the mid to late second century to show 180 00:08:17,500 --> 00:08:21,070 more miracles of Jesus. It says in... 181 00:08:21,070 --> 00:08:22,500 I'll read it 182 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,160 This is in the Infancy Gospel 183 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,020 of Thomas, and of course the same stories 184 00:08:56,020 --> 00:08:58,900 are in the Quran, where it says 185 00:09:08,950 --> 00:09:13,000 And this is in chapter 5 verse 110. 186 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,650 So we find 187 00:09:14,650 --> 00:09:16,540 interesting that there is an Infancy Gospel which 188 00:09:16,540 --> 00:09:19,660 was considered to be a doubtful 189 00:09:19,660 --> 00:09:22,960 apocrypha, which is a story that 190 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,150 was written in order to prove 191 00:09:25,150 --> 00:09:28,180 certain political points, and to 192 00:09:28,180 --> 00:09:30,580 satiate the need for miracle 193 00:09:30,580 --> 00:09:33,010 stories. And then there's another Gospel 194 00:09:33,010 --> 00:09:35,110 called the Syriac Infancy Gospel, which 195 00:09:35,110 --> 00:09:37,600 was in the 5th to 6th century. It's also 196 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,010 called the Arabic Infancy Gospel. 197 00:09:39,010 --> 00:09:41,260 This was much later, 198 00:09:41,260 --> 00:09:42,970 closer to the time of Muhammad, and 199 00:09:42,970 --> 00:09:45,160 which has more miracles of Jesus 200 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,070 which also ended up in the Quran. It says for 201 00:09:48,070 --> 00:09:50,000 example in the Arabic Infancy Gospel 202 00:10:03,900 --> 00:10:05,230 So interestingly, in this document 203 00:10:05,230 --> 00:10:07,210 which was believed to be written 204 00:10:07,210 --> 00:10:09,520 within the 5th to 6th century, was based 205 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,050 on the previous Infancy Gospel of Thomas, 206 00:10:11,050 --> 00:10:13,960 it's said that he spoke as a 207 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,000 baby, and the Quran says 208 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,680 This is in chapter 19 verses 29 to 34. 209 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:35,350 So interestingly enough, the Quran 210 00:10:35,350 --> 00:10:38,019 decided to include a story of Jesus, 211 00:10:38,019 --> 00:10:41,050 both stories which were 212 00:10:41,050 --> 00:10:42,999 included in documents, which were 213 00:10:42,999 --> 00:10:45,579 considered fabricated, were considered a 214 00:10:45,579 --> 00:10:47,529 apocrypha, meaning less reliable 215 00:10:47,529 --> 00:10:50,319 historical documents about Jesus. 216 00:10:50,319 --> 00:10:53,499 Those stories ended up in the Quran 217 00:10:53,499 --> 00:10:55,389 as if they were true stories. 218 00:10:55,389 --> 00:10:56,889 It's also interesting that 219 00:10:56,889 --> 00:10:58,299 these stories were available in a 220 00:10:58,299 --> 00:11:00,699 language, and in a time close to the 221 00:11:00,699 --> 00:11:03,189 time of Muhammad. So just to summarize 222 00:11:03,189 --> 00:11:05,559 everything that I said... 223 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,899 The first point I made was that the story of 224 00:11:07,899 --> 00:11:10,629 Jesus having no father, born as a virgin birth 225 00:11:10,629 --> 00:11:12,699 The story doesn't make sense in the 226 00:11:12,699 --> 00:11:15,790 context of Jesus just randomly, you 227 00:11:15,790 --> 00:11:17,470 know, God just decided to make him 228 00:11:17,470 --> 00:11:20,170 have a virgin birth, and then 229 00:11:20,170 --> 00:11:21,579 the fact that the 230 00:11:21,579 --> 00:11:23,049 virgin birth wasn't in the earliest 231 00:11:23,049 --> 00:11:25,509 sources of the New Testament and came a 232 00:11:25,509 --> 00:11:27,850 little bit later. The fact that Jesus is 233 00:11:27,850 --> 00:11:30,489 a Messiah, yet this whole idea of a 234 00:11:30,489 --> 00:11:32,019 Messiah, you know, the prophecy of the 235 00:11:32,019 --> 00:11:33,970 Messiah doesn't doesn't match what we 236 00:11:33,970 --> 00:11:36,549 know about Jesus, and Jews would 237 00:11:36,549 --> 00:11:37,869 also say the same thing. The fact that 238 00:11:37,869 --> 00:11:41,110 Jesus was crucified, but at least 239 00:11:41,110 --> 00:11:42,490 the claim was made that he was 240 00:11:42,490 --> 00:11:44,980 crucified or killed, 241 00:11:44,980 --> 00:11:47,799 whatever the case is. 242 00:11:47,799 --> 00:11:50,889 That again goes against the 243 00:11:50,889 --> 00:11:53,230 idea that Jesus is the Messiah, because 244 00:11:53,230 --> 00:11:55,720 the Messiah was not supposed to be 245 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,850 taken advantage of, and 246 00:11:57,850 --> 00:11:58,929 these things are not supposed to happen 247 00:11:58,929 --> 00:12:01,959 to the Messiah. The fact that there's not one 248 00:12:01,959 --> 00:12:04,149 Injeel or Gospel, but there's actually four 249 00:12:04,149 --> 00:12:05,769 Gospels, and these are not the book of 250 00:12:05,769 --> 00:12:07,089 Revelation, which is actually the 251 00:12:07,089 --> 00:12:08,679 inspired word of God according to 252 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,629 Christians. The fact that 253 00:12:10,629 --> 00:12:12,759 doubtful stories from the Infancy Gospel of 254 00:12:12,759 --> 00:12:14,829 Thomas and the Syriac Infancy Gospel 255 00:12:14,829 --> 00:12:17,410 such as Jesus bringing clay birds 256 00:12:17,410 --> 00:12:19,480 to life or Jesus speaking as a baby. All 257 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,220 of these stories ended up in the Quran 258 00:12:21,220 --> 00:12:23,350 and we know where they came from. 259 00:12:23,350 --> 00:12:25,299 So these are just a few interesting 260 00:12:25,299 --> 00:12:27,309 points think about. You know, the story of 261 00:12:27,309 --> 00:12:29,259 Jesus in Islam and there's a lot more that 262 00:12:29,259 --> 00:12:30,549 could be said about it. 263 00:12:30,549 --> 00:12:32,559 This is a very big topic. I just wanted 264 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,259 to go into a few small, quick points and 265 00:12:35,259 --> 00:12:37,809 as usual thank you for watching. 266 00:12:37,809 --> 00:12:39,040 If you like these videos 267 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,809 please subscribe, and you know keep up 268 00:12:40,809 --> 00:12:41,740 with me on 269 00:12:41,740 --> 00:12:46,740 on social media. Thank you very much.